Hozan Alan Senauke, a Zen teacher and folk musician, joins Roshi Bernie Glassman, founder of the Zen Peacemaker Order, for a lively discussion. They explore the dynamic relationship between joy and respect for boundaries in spiritual practice. The conversation delves into the concept of death, questioning its finality and discussing its significance in life’s cycle. Through music and open dialogue, they encourage embracing the unknown and navigating the complexities of community liturgy, highlighting the importance of connection and empathy.