Ben Kohlmann, a retired F-18 pilot turned defense investor, and Dan Magy, a seasoned defense founder and CEO of Firestorm Labs, dive into the evolving defense landscape. They explore the revolutionary role of drone swarms in modern warfare and the hurdles startups face in military innovation. They discuss the missed opportunities in the Ukraine conflict and the importance of real-world testing. With a focus on building relationships for defense tech startups, they highlight strategies to navigate government procurement and the art of effective storytelling in Congress.