Giulio Saudele, an expert on the German Green Party, and Ben Knight, a political analyst, dive into the fascinating evolution of this influential party. They discuss the Greens' controversial shift from 1980s peace activists to 2020s military supporters and explore the party’s internal conflicts over climate policies. The duo examines their foreign policy pivots, particularly with NATO, and the challenges of balancing human rights with economic growth. Can Robert Habeck steer the Greens back into power amidst these complexities?