In a candid conversation, Ben Houston, a former leader at Hillsong Church, shares his insights on friendship and faith alongside Carl Lentz. They discuss the complex aftermath of scandals and the personal turmoils faced during their time at Hillsong. The duo reflects on loyalty, revealing how their bond deepened through adversity. Ben opens up about burnout and the importance of mental health for leaders. Their stories offer a raw look at the real struggles behind public perceptions, inspiring resilience and understanding in the journey of faith.