Former CIA analyst Frank Snepp discusses the heartbreak of Saigon and the agony of Kabul. Author Barry Meier addresses the NSO-Pegasus surveillance scandal. Father-daughter TikTok series about his intelligence career becomes a viral hit. Comparison between the US evacuation of Saigon in 1975 and the current situation in Afghanistan. Concerns about conspiracy theories, trusted news sources, and disinformation. Motivations of creating videos for positive social change and reflections on the possibility of a third world war.

Former Homeland Security Assistant Secretary Juliette Kayyem discusses the mess in DHS' intelligence shop. Barry Meier talks about his book 'Spooked' which explores the rise of private spies and the spread of unproven information in journalism.