Trevor Birney and Barry McCaffrey, award-winning investigative journalists, share a gripping account of their experiences following the 1994 Loughinisland massacre, where six civilians were killed. They reveal shocking truths about police collusion and the unlawful surveillance they faced after exposing the case in their film, No Stone Unturned. The conversation raises critical questions about the state of press freedom in the UK and the chilling effects of surveillance on journalism, urging a need for greater accountability and protection for journalists.