Barnor Hesse, a Professor at Northwestern University and author of "Raceocracy," dives deep into the provocative themes of Afropessimism. He explores its complexities and criticisms within the Black community, shedding light on its impact on movements like Black Lives Matter. The conversation navigates the intricate dynamics of anti-Black violence, the contradictions in humanistic legal frameworks, and the resilient nature of Black culture. Hesse also challenges traditional narratives, urging a reevaluation of race, identity, and the political discourse surrounding them.