Barney Frank, a former Congressman pivotal in reshaping financial regulation post-2008, joins David Enrich, The New York Times' business investigations editor. They delve into Frank's legacy regarding the relaxation of banking regulations and its consequences in today's financial landscape. With a recent bank failure, they explore the implications of his decisions, the turbulent journey of mid-sized banks, and the ongoing debates about the stability of the banking system amidst potential systemic risks. Frank reflects on his career's challenges and contradictions.