In this compelling discussion, Kim Ji-min, a former North Korean IT operative and defector, shares his harrowing experiences of working under the regime's oppressive cyber operations. He reveals the strict military-like hierarchy and the psychological toll on workers, who are surveilled constantly. Bada Nam, from PS Corps, sheds light on how these workers are exploited overseas, with families held hostage to ensure compliance. The duo exposes the realities of life in dorms, the illegal nature of their tasks, and the ongoing pressures even after defection.