Azeen Ghorayshi, a science reporter for The New York Times, dives into the complexities of rising autism diagnoses, emphasizing that shifting definitions, not just environmental factors, drive the trends. Kathy Lord, a seasoned clinical psychologist, reflects on the historical views of autism and the implications of expanding criteria. They discuss the growing neurodiversity movement, resource competition for services, and the controversial proposal for a 'profound autism' category. The conversation raises critical questions about identity, representation, and care within the autism community.