Joined by August Cole, an author known for exploring future conflict through fiction, and David Gioe, a professor specializing in intelligence and international security, the discussion delves into the tumultuous events of 2024. They analyze the impact of disinformation on public perception and advocate for the role of popular culture in fostering critical thinking. The guests also navigate the tricky balance between fiction and reality in spy narratives, while reflecting on the enduring influence of World War II on contemporary storytelling.

John Taylor discusses the importance of trust in the world of espionage. August Cole talks about China's theft of military technology and the impact of technology on espionage.