In this engaging conversation, Ashton Arnoldy, a scholar on Owen Barfield, dives into the relevance of Barfield's ideas in our secular age. They explore the integration of spirituality with modernity and discuss the challenges posed by dualism. Arnoldy shares poignant insights from a transformative ayahuasca experience, reflecting on consciousness and the divine power of language. Additionally, they address the importance of a moral ecological framework and reinterpretations of faith, highlighting Barfield's influence on contemporary spirituality and our understanding of identity.