Michael McAfee and Ashleigh Gardere, leaders at PolicyLink, discuss the transformative power of policy in shaping a more equitable future. They emphasize that equity is crucial for a just society and spotlight the challenges in advocating for it. The duo argues for systemic change driven by compassionate action and community engagement. They also highlight the importance of measurable outcomes in housing policy to combat poverty. Their conversation underscores the need for collective action and activism to create meaningful change in today's socio-political landscape.