Experts Jim Tiller and Anton Chuvakin discuss the evolution and challenges of Security Operations Centers (SOC), including the impact of global macroeconomics on security technology, the importance of collaboration between different teams, and the shift towards automation. They also explore false positives and negatives in the modern SOC environment, and the challenges of outsourcing security operations.

Michele Chubrika, a Cloud Security Developer Advocate at Google, joins Anton Chuvakin for a deep dive into container security. They debunk myths about isolation and discuss the intricacies between virtual machines and containers, emphasizing trust boundaries within Kubernetes. The conversation highlights the importance of proactive security practices and the potential of WebAssembly to reduce attack surfaces. They also tackle developer challenges in containerized environments, sharing insights on dependency management and the evolving landscape of cloud-native security.

Guests Anton Chuvakin and Tim Peacock discuss their journeys into security, the '3am test' for effective alerts, sourcing topics for the podcast, and hopes for the future of security.