Dr. Anthony Dillon challenges victimhood narratives for Indigenous Australians, discussing cultural complexities, diversity, and the impact of colonization. Topics include cultural fabrication, rural challenges, the crisis of masculinity, and the importance of understanding Indigenous challenges.

In this interview, John Anderson sits down with his good friend Anthony Dillon, an Indigenous academic and commentator. They discuss his background growing up with two great extended families as role models, his father's role as Australia's first Indigenous police officer, the importance of recognizing commonalities over differences, the need for secure environments for children's success, reservations about the effectiveness of the voice mechanism, the importance of judging individuals based on their own merits, the concept of macarata and the complexities of forgiveness, and concerns about generalizing historical wrongdoings to present generations.