David Kilcullen, a best-selling author and former Australian soldier, and Andy Maher, an Australian infantry officer and lecturer, dive into Australia's strategic pivot toward addressing nearby threats, particularly from China. They explore the evolving role of irregular warfare in national security, the lessons from past conflicts like East Timor, and the necessity for agile military structures in urban warfare. They also discuss the contrasting philosophies of the Army and Marines, emphasizing innovative counterinsurgency strategies to meet contemporary security challenges.