Andy Kroll

Andy Kroll, an investigative reporter for ProPublica, dives into the intriguing world of Russell Vought, former Director of the Office of Management and Budget. Kroll paints Vought as a 'shadow president' seeking to undermine federal independence. They discuss Vought's strategy of using shutdowns as leverage, his radical constitutionalist views, and how he blends culture wars with budget cuts. Kroll also highlights the long-term implications for public service and predicts looming legal battles over executive power.

Andy Kroll, an investigative reporter for ProPublica and coauthor of 'The Shadow President', dives into the significant yet overlooked influence of Russell Vought in shaping Trump’s agenda. Kroll reveals Vought's views on dismantling the ‘deep state’ and how Christian nationalism infuses his policies. He discusses Vought's powerful role as the 'shadow president', his past experiments with funding impoundment, and plans for Project 2025. The conversation sheds light on Vought's loyalty to Trump and the long-term implications of his governance philosophy.

Andy Kroll, an investigative reporter known for his in-depth profiles, joins to discuss Russell Vought’s substantial influence in shaping Trump’s second term. He reveals Vought's strategy to weaken federal agencies and believes in a dismantling of what he terms a 'deep state.' Kroll explains Vought's Christian nationalist ideology and the implications for policy, as well as his role as 'shadow president' through budget control. The conversation also touches on Vought's preparations for a potential second Trump administration and his ultimate goal of permanently altering government structure.