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Andrew Clay Shafer, a pivotal figure in the DevOps community, discusses the evolution of DevOps and its role in digital transformation. He highlights the importance of foundational principles like those of W. Edwards Deming and critiques superficial adoption of methodologies. The conversation touches on the impact of AI and the need for true organizational learning to navigate challenges. Shafer emphasizes that platform engineering is an extension of DevOps philosophy and addresses the dynamics of marketing in the tech landscape.

In case you haven't heard, DevOps is dead. Again. To discuss its demise, Coté talks with Andrew Clay Shafer. They talk about a lot more: Andrew's new company, working with executives, sociotechnical systems, Andrew's recent SREcon talk in Amsterdam, and more. You can also watch the live recording of this episoded, unedited! It has a discussion of Coté's podcast making recommendations at the start. Check out Andrew and friend's new company, Ergonautic, and, find him in Twitter as @littleidea.Special Guest: Andrew Clay Shafer.