Kenneth Roth, author of "Righting Wrongs" and former head of Human Rights Watch, shares his bold approach to human rights advocacy, emphasizing the need for pressure on oppressive governments. Andrew Clapham, a professor of international law and author of "War", explores the complexities of accountability in armed conflicts, challenging the notion that only leaders bear responsibility for war crimes. Both guests tackle the pressing issues of global democracy versus autocracy and the evolving laws of war, highlighting ethical implications and the accountability of military actions.