Joining the discussion, Andrew Billen, a Features writer for The Times, shares insights from his interviews with Justin Baldoni. The conversation delves into the heated legal battle between Blake Lively and Baldoni, revolving around allegations tied to their film, 'It Ends With Us.' They explore themes of public perception, celebrity culture, and the complexities of masculinity, particularly Baldoni’s personal reflections on gender roles and toxic masculinity. The dialogue raises questions about authenticity in celebrity actions and its implications for societal norms.