Join Paul Kelly, an expert in mechanistic and dynamical models in cognitive and climate science, alongside Andrea Hiott, who dives into the intricacies of scientific inquiry. They discuss the philosophical distinctions between mechanistic and dynamical models and the implications of the 3M principle on cognitive processes. The conversation highlights how models represent complex systems, challenges in defining cognition, and the importance of philosophical insights in the age of AI, ultimately advocating for diverse modeling approaches in understanding the mind.