Amy Cohen Varela, a clinical psychologist and philosopher, Dr. Rika Preiser, an associate professor focused on sustainability, and Dr. Sanneke De Haan, a psychiatry and philosophy expert, discuss the complexities of healing. They explore the ethical implications of how we define suffering and the messiness of healing beyond conventional methods. The conversation emphasizes the importance of narratives, community, and relational dynamics in mental health. They advocate for epistemic humility and critique individualism, promoting a deeper understanding of interconnected healing and identity.