Junyang Lin, a key member of the Qwen team, discusses their groundbreaking new reasoning model, Quill, which can outperform larger models on various metrics. Alpin Dale, an AI researcher, shares his experience collecting BlueSky posts and the backlash he faced from the community regarding data ethics. The conversation delves into the implications of these advancements, highlighting the importance of transparency in open-source AI and the ongoing tensions between pro-AI advocates and skeptics. They explore innovative technologies and the dynamic landscape of AI advancements.