Ali Mitib, a news reporter for The Times, and William Thompson, a criminology professor emeritus at UC Irvine, delve into the controversial conviction of Lucy Letby, a neonatal nurse found guilty of murdering infants. They discuss the swirling conspiracy theories and growing doubts among experts about the safety of her conviction. The conversation shifts to misleading medical statistics and the complexities of the appeal process in high-profile cases, revealing the intricate dance between public perception, legal implications, and potential miscarriages of justice.