Anna catches up with Howard Wu, co-founder of the Aleo Network, and Alex Pruden, executive director of the Aleo Foundation. They discuss the evolution of the Aleo project, including technical decisions, breakthroughs, detours, and initial goals. They also explore the challenges of running marketplaces in the crypto industry, the introduction of Veruna as the proof system, and the transition to a hybrid consensus of proof of work and proof of stake. The podcast ends with a discussion on the network's governance plan and excitement for the upcoming mainnet launch.