In this discussion, Alan Zibel, a research director at Public Citizen specializing in energy and environmental issues, delves into the implications of Trump's 'energy dominance' agenda for public lands. He highlights the U.S. as a leader in natural gas exports and critiques the environmental consequences of excess production. Zibel explores the political ties between energy policies and industry interests, raising questions about the motivations behind them. Additionally, he addresses Biden's new conservation efforts and the ongoing controversies surrounding energy regulation.