Matt Berninger, the iconic songwriter and frontman of The National, joins Alan Sparhawk, renowned for his work with Low, in a heartfelt discussion. They explore their personal journeys through grief, reflecting on how loss has shaped their music. Both artists share insights on the healing power of creativity and the impact of mental health on their songwriting. With humor and honesty, they navigate the complexities of faith, family, and the emotional connections music fosters with audiences, revealing the transformative nature of their craft.