In this engaging discussion, former Change UK MP Gavin Shuker reflects on the swift rise and fall of his party, sharing crucial lessons on the challenges of founding new political movements. Alan Sked, founder of UKIP, recounts the party's early days, revealing how he lost control as it evolved under Nigel Farage's influence. They explore the pitfalls of rushed strategies, the importance of internal structure, and how grassroots dynamics can either bolster or hinder a new party's success. A whirlwind of insights into the politics of party formation!