In this conversation, Adam Kohlbeck, an experienced deputy leader and co-founder of EduPulse, teams up with Chris Passey, a senior school leader and author. They delve into the transition from teacher to deputy head, exploring the challenges of maintaining classroom influence and the significance of relational leadership. Guest insights include the importance of vulnerability, setting boundaries, and fostering a thriving culture within schools. They discuss their forthcoming book, emphasizing the diverse paths to deputy headship and preparing for future leadership roles.