In this engaging conversation, Suzy Matthijssen, a clinical psychologist and trauma treatment innovator, and Ad de Jongh, a seasoned therapist and EMDR pioneer, delve into the evolution of EMDR 2.0. They discuss the origins of intensive trauma treatment, highlighting the emergence of four-session-a-day protocols. The duo explains the science behind their approach, focusing on the pillars of activation, taxation, and motivation. They also share insights on the surprising effectiveness of remote therapy, and how their methods can better address complicated trauma cases.