Jon and Max answer your questions about AI, unions, writing and fallen titans — submersible and tech leader alike. Plus, America Dissected’s Dr. Abdul El-Sayed joins Offline to talk about how the internet age endangers public health, how to persuade people to get vaccinated, and why debates are the wrong setting to talk about science, especially when RFK Jr. is involved. For a closed-captioned version of this episode, click here. For a transcript of this episode, please email transcripts@crooked.com and include the name of the podcast. 

Dr. Abdul El-Sayed, an epidemiologist and health officer in Michigan, discusses Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s controversial nomination for Secretary of Health and Human Services. El-Sayed emphasizes the dangers of RFK Jr.'s vaccine misinformation and its potential public health risks. He advocates for evidence-based vaccine policies and the need for empathetic dialogue to combat skepticism. The conversation also touches on political turmoil in France and significant current events affecting both U.S. and European political landscapes.

Dr. Abdul El-Sayed discusses the potential of a bird flu pandemic, highlighting the risks of transmission, pathogenicity, and immune evasion. The podcast explores the impacts on sea lions and chickens, delves into zoonotic illnesses and pandemics, and even explores the possible link between solar eclipses and flu strains.