Abane Clayton, a gun violence reporter for The Guardian, dives deep into the complexities surrounding the recent high-profile shooting involving Luigi Mangione. They discuss the starkly different public reactions and the emotional weight of gun violence in America. Clayton highlights systemic issues in healthcare that contribute to violence while addressing the societal disconnect and racial context in public perception. The conversation uncovers the duality of fear and empathy, calling for a serious reflection on how we view and respond to such tragedies.