Aarti Borkar is the VP of Security at Microsoft, focusing on proactive measures, while Simeon Kakpovi tracks crime-based threat actors, and Andrew Rapp specializes in incident response. They discuss how legal tactics disrupt threat actors and the necessity of rehearsed incident response plans. Snow, co-founder of the Social Engineering Community Village at DEF CON, shares her unique journey from special effects to social engineering, emphasizing empathy and creativity as powerful tools in security testing. The conversation highlights the emotional toll on defenders and the evolving nature of cyber threats.