In this conversation with Aaron Miller, a teaching professor at BYU focusing on ethics, church finances come under scrutiny. They discuss why the Church used shell companies, the implications of a recent lawsuit over tithing, and the need for transparency about massive reserves. Is the Church's humanitarian work effective? Listeners ponder whether giving to the Church or other charities is better. The dialogue wraps up with a thought-provoking exploration of capitalism's role in consecration and Zion building.