
The Deprogram Episode 207 - Wars and Trade Wars (Ft. Ben Norton)
Nov 14, 2025
Ben Norton, an investigative journalist and political economist, dives deep into the ongoing U.S. military operations in Venezuela, highlighting the tragic impacts through personal stories. He unpacks the drug-trafficking narrative perpetuated by the U.S. to justify intervention and discusses Venezuela's popular resistance and military capacity against foreign aggression. The conversation shifts to the U.S.-China trade dynamics, examining how tariffs misfired and China's ascent in global economics. Norton also connects the dots on the regional political landscape and the implications of U.S. tactics moving forward.
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U.S. Aggression Is Already Underway
- The U.S. is already attacking Venezuela through covert operations, sanctions, and maritime killings, not just looming invasion threats.
- Ben Norton argues escalation may include SOF kidnappings, bombings, or blockades rather than full-scale conventional invasion.
Operation Gideon Exposed
- Ben Norton recounts Operation Gideon, a failed 2020 mercenary invasion trained in Colombia and tied to U.S. actors.
- Jordan Goudreau admitted CIA and Trump administration links and later sued for unpaid funds after the plot collapsed.
Narco Claims Lack Credible Evidence
- U.S. claims of Maduro as a narco-terrorist are built on fabricated evidence tying government leaders to a fictitious cartel.
- Independent experts find no credible proof for the so-called 'Cartel of the Suns' narrative.



