We invited two friends of the podcast, who are longtime friends of one another, to talk about ministry, the state of preaching in the Church, and how they often feel like exiles in Mainline Christianity. We hope you enjoy this conversation with Tony and Will.

Be sure to check out Tony's website: https://www.anthonybrobinson.com

Also, here's the link to the documentary about Will: https://www.aptonline.org/catalog/WILL-TO-PREACH-A