In a thought-provoking discussion, Rabbi Ariel Burger, an expert in conflict resolution and author of "Witness, Lessons from Elie Wiesel's Classroom," emphasizes the wisdom found in Jewish mysticism. He explores how ancient stories can guide us in addressing current societal issues. Ariel encourages listeners to assess whether what they read in the news supports peacemaking efforts, particularly in the context of Gaza. He also reflects on the interconnection between art, community, and creativity, highlighting the transformative power of storytelling.
Ariel Burger emphasizes that in chaotic times, a different kind of madness can reveal new paths to creative solutions.
The podcast reminds listeners of the power of ancient narratives in fostering understanding and responsibility toward contemporary issues.
Both speakers advocate for embracing uncertainty and questioning beliefs to enrich spiritual journeys and facilitate diverse perspectives.
Deep dives
The Joy of Sabbath as a Divine Experience
The podcast shares a story about the Baal Shem Tov, a Hasidic master, who aimed to illuminate the true essence of Sabbath for his disciples. The disciples anticipated a grand revelation but instead witnessed a humble couple joyfully celebrating the Sabbath with simple food, revealing that the experience of joy is what encapsulates this holy time. This moment serves to illustrate that genuine happiness and spiritual connection can emerge from the simplest acts of love and togetherness. The Baal Shem Tov's lesson highlights that true richness comes from the heart rather than material wealth.
Finding Sanity in Madness
Ariel Berger emphasizes the profound concept of madness as a form of sanity amid a chaotic world, drawing from the teachings of his mentor, Elie Wiesel. Wiesel's perspective suggests that, during times of turmoil, embracing a different type of madness can lead to creative solutions and new directions. This approach encourages openness to questions that challenge conventional thinking about persistent issues, such as conflict and injustice. By exploring narratives that defy logic and norms, individuals can uncover unexpected paths to understanding.
The Importance of Questions in Faith
Both speakers discuss the significance of embracing questions in faith rather than adhering to rigid beliefs. Embracing uncertainty becomes a pathway to deeper understanding and connection, allowing for a richer exploration of life’s complexities. Ariel Berger explains that discomfort with ambiguities can lead individuals to exclude vital perspectives and experiences from their lives. This openness to inquiry allows the coexistence of diverse opinions and enriches one's spiritual journey.
The Role of Elders and Tradition in Society
A focus on the role of elders and the value of ancient stories is evident as Berger reflects on the wisdom imparted by his educators, including Elie Wiesel. The importance of old traditions, such as the storytelling within Judaism, encourages a profound understanding of the world and its complexities. These narratives not only provide lessons but also cultivate moral responsibility and transformation. By integrating these teachings into contemporary discourse, there is hope for addressing today's challenges with compassion and understanding.
Hope in Peacemaking Amidst Conflict
In light of current global tensions, particularly concerning the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the podcast discusses the need to seek out narratives that promote peace. The conversation highlights the efforts of grassroots peacemakers who strive for understanding and healing through community engagement. Awareness of these positive movements is essential to counteract prevalent negative narratives found in mainstream media. By supporting and amplifying voices advocating for peace, individuals can contribute to creating a more compassionate world.
Martin Shaw talks to rabbi, artist and author Dr. Ariel Burger, who reminds us that 'there are certain kinds of madness that really do constitute sanity in a world gone mad.' Ariel explains that this has been a theme in many of the Jewish mystical teachings that have inspired him, and he and Martin delve into how ancient stories help us to think about what is missing from the current conversation. They suggest that in times like these we must be open to the marginal and pay close attention to the periphery. When the conversation turns towards the current events in Gaza, Ariel asks that we consider one question: 'Is what you’re reading in the news going to help the peacemakers or not?'
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A huge thanks to Ben Addicott for helping to produce this podcast