After walking 100 miles across a wall in Europe (for vacation!?), Ryan is back and wondering what walls brands can build that will net them better traffic.

In this week’s episode, Ryan tells Jon all about what he learned from reading a recent study on zero-click searches. They discuss the amount of clicks that go to organic listings vs. Google-owned properties and ways to pivot focus to optimize your marketing budget.

Listen to the full episode to learn:

How to find a middle ground between SEO and other marketing strategies
What has been the impact of AI in Google search results on click-through rates
How focusing on smaller areas can help you drive traffic
Why Ryan would walk 100 miles while on vacation

If you have questions, ideas, or feedback to share, connect with us on LinkedIn. We’re Jon MacDonald and Ryan Garrow .

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