VYS0030 | To Believe or Not to Believe - Vayse to Face with Emily Louise

VYS0030 | To Believe or Not to Believe - Vayse to Face with Emily Louise - Show Notes

Possibly the weirdest thing that Vayse could do at this point is to interview someone who doesn't believe in any of this phenomena at all, someone whose no-nonsense approach to searching for the actual facts behind well-known events in fringe history and UFOlogy has earned her Youtube channel tens of thousands of subscribers - it's British documentary maker and researcher Emily Louise.

Hine and Buckley find an unexpected amount of common ground with Emily as they discuss her journey from wide-eyed belief to pragmatic scepticism, what it is that makes human beings sometimes believe ideas that are provably untrue, which famous conspiracy theories Emily thinks probably do have truth to them and Vayse finally tackles (with the help of a hardened sceptic) the recent David Grusch revelations... (Recorded 17 August 2023)

Thanks to Emily for putting up with our weird shit and thanks as always to Keith for the show notes.

Emily Louise - Links

Emily on Twitter
Emily on Instagram
Emily on YouTube
Emily’s Patreon
Emily’s Ko-Fi

Introduction - links

Lovecraftian horror - Wikipedia page
H.P. Lovecraft - Wikipedia page
Purple prose - Wikipedia page
Conspiracy theory - Wikipedia page
Paranoia - Wikipedia page
Ufology - Wikipedia page
High Strangeness And Understanding It - Global Bizarre article ( )
‘High Strangeness’ and anomalous phenomena - UAP Media article
High Strangeness and Metaphysics - Medium article
Bullshit - Wikipedia page
Signal to noise ratio - Wikipedia page
Hoax - Wikipedia page
The true story of the fake unboxed aliens is wilder than actual aliens - Vox article
Skepticism - Wikipedia page
Urban legend - Wikipedia page

Luiz Elizondo and Related Links

Luiz Elizondo - Wikipedia page
Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) - Wikipedia page
To the Stars (company) - Wikipedia page
Tom DeLonge - Wikipedia page

The Montauk Project and related links

Montauk Project - Wikipedia page
Montauk Air Force Station - Wikipedia page
The Montauk Project : The REAL Story Behind Netflix's Stranger Things - Weird Reads with Emily Louise
Stranger Things - Wikipedia page
The Montauk Project: Experiments in Time (book) - Wikipedia page
The Montauk Project: Experiments in Time by Preston B Nichols and Peter Moon

MKUltra - links

MKUltra - Wikipedia page
List of 149 MKULTRA Subprojects - Illuminati Rex website
Operation Midnight Climax: The Sub-Project of MKUltra You Didn’t Know About - Grunge article

Alternative 3 - Links

Alternative 3 - Wikipedia page
ALTERNATIVE 3 (1977)
Alternative 3: How a Hoax Documentary Created a Conspiracy Cult - Weird Reads with Emily Louise

Emily’s background - related links

Screenwriter - Wikipedia page
Conspiracy theory - Wikipedia page
The X-Files - Wikipedia page
Horror film - Wikipedia page
Post-9/11 - Wikipedia page
Extraterrestrial life - Wikipedia page
List of cryptids - Wikipedia page
Unidentified flying object - Wikipedia page
Unidentified aerial annoyance: Full disclosure or dubious UFO nonsense? - Space article
UFO DISINFO: Four times the US military hoaxed alien contact through the decades - Daily Grail article
Ex-Air Force Law Enforcement Agent (Richard Doty) Says He Hoaxed Major UFO Mythologies, Huff Post article
Majestic 12 - Wikipedia page
Bob Lazar - Wikipedia page
Roswell incident - Wikipedia page

Emily’s switch from believer to sceptic - Links

Mirage Men (documentary film) - Wikipedia page
Mark Pilkington (writer) - Wikipedia page

Private investigator - Wikipedia page
Dogma - Wikipedia page
Alien abduction - Wikipedia page
List of urban legends (Modern folklore) - Wikipedia page
Religious experience - Wikipedia page
Ufology - Wikipedia page
David Grusch UFO whistleblower claims - Wikipedia page
Lie - Wikipedia page

US congressional hearings on UFOs - Links

UFO hearing key takeaways: cover-up claims and Pentagon denials - Guardian article
Who is Ryan Graves? - Yahoo News article
Pentagon UFO videos - Wikipedia page
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez - Wikipedia page
George Knapp - Wikipedia page
David Grusch UFO whistleblower claims - Wikipedia page
News Nation - Wikipedia page
News Nation - YouTube channel
The forgotten UFO wave of the 1980s - Nexus article
Paul Bennewitz - Wikipedia page
Majestic 12 - Wikipedia page
UFO Crash Retrievals — The Story, The Cover-up, and the Road to Disclosure, UFO Studies substack article
Roswell incident - Wikipedia page
Bill Moore (ufologist) - Wikipedia page
Stanton Freidman - Wikipedia page
What are UAPs, and why do UFOs have a new name? - CBS News article
What are ‘Non-human biologics’? - HITC article
Diana Pasulka - Wikipedia page
The Annotated Chris Bledsoe Regression Transcript - Hathor Chronicles article
What in the World Happened to Anjali Schultz? - Whitley Strieber YT
Fear of ‘alien’ invasion in 2027 as John Ramirez claims ‘they’re showing up’ - HITC article
American Cosmic by Diana Pasulka - Goodreads page
American Cosmic by Diana Pasulka

What do we know so far about Timothy Taylor from American Cosmic and his ongoing work with the ET presence? - Reddit thread
Catholic church - Wikipedia page
UFO religion - Wikipedia page
QAnon - Wikipedia page
John Lear - Wikipedia page
Milton William Cooper - Wikipedia page
Guy Ballard (I AM Activity) - Wikipedia page
Christopher Mellon, UFO/UAP work - Wikipedia section
Ross Coulthart - Wikipedia page
Jeremy Corbell - Wikipedia page
Disinformation - Wikipedia page
News Nation - Wikipedia page
Cattle mutilation - Wikipedia page
Linda Moulton Howe - Wikipedia page
VYS0024 | Between Being Real and Not Real - Vayse to Face with Nathan Paul Isaac
Scientist Howard Burgess talks about cattle being marked by UFO before mutilation, Reddit thread
An Open Letter to the UFO Community, by Sean Cahill - Medium article
The Intercept - Wikipedia page
Counter-terrorism - Wikipedia page

Why are conspiracy theory topics so popular? - Related Links

Dulce Base - Wikipedia page
Dulce : The Origins of an ALIEN Conspiracy (PART ONE) - Weird Reads with Emily Louise
Dulce : The Origins of an ALIEN Conspiracy (PART TWO) - Weird Reads with Emily Louise
Central Intelligence Agency - Wikipedia page
Brainwashing - Wikipedia page
Supersoldier - Wikipedia page
MKUltra - Wikipedia page
First Earth battalion - Wikipedia page
Philadelphia Experiment - Wikipedia page
Conspiracy theory - Wikipedia page
9/11 conspiracy theories - Wikipedia page
VYS0025 | Truth with a Capital "T" - Vayse to Face with Sequoyah Kennedy
The Allegory of the Cave (Plato's Cave) - Wikipedia page
Post-truth - Wikipedia page
Fake news - Wikipedia page
Donald Trump - Wikipedia page
Boris Johnson - Wikipedia page
Deepfake - Wikipedia page
Reality Television - Wikipedia page
Capitalism - Wikipedia page
Does truth exist? - Oxplore article
Universality (philosophy) - Wikipedia page
New World Order (conspiracy theory) - Illuminati - Wikipedia section
Fringe theory - Wikipedia page
Hillary Clinton - Wikipedia page
Basket of deplorables - Wikipedia page
Antisemitism - Wikipedia page
Far-right politics
QAnon - Wikipedia page
Cult - Wikipedia page
Alex Jones - Wikipedia page
David Icke - Wikipedia page
Assassination of John F. Kennedy - Wikipedia page

Emily’s weird experiences - related links

Unidentified flying object - Wikipedia page
Area 51 - Wikipedia page
Ghost - Wikipedia page
Stargate Project - Wikipedia page
Remote viewing - Wikipedia page
Occult - Wikipedia page

The Human Element - Related Links

Psychology - Wikipedia page
10 Supposed Secret Space Programs - Listverse article
Alternative 3: How a Hoax Documentary Created a Conspiracy Cult - Weird Reads with Emily Louise
Alternate Reality Game (ARG) - Wikipedia page

Consequences, empathy, and changing minds - related links

Corey Goode - website
David Willcox - website
Mirage Men (documentary film) - Wikipedia page
Mirage Men: A Journey into Disinformation, Paranoia and UFOs by Mark Pilkington
Mark Pilkington (writer) - Wikipedia page
Debunker - Wikipedia page
The Cult of I AM: The WILD Story of Guy and Edna Ballard's New Age Religious Movement - Weird reads with Emily Louise

Rabbit holes - related links

Women in the Paranormal - Unexplained Mysteries article
Mick West - Wikipedia page
Is women's interest in people over things biological or cultural?, Reddit thread - beware anyone telling you anything on this subject

Emily’s recommendations - links

Mirage Men: A Journey into Disinformation, Paranoia and UFOs by Mark Pilkington
The Greys Have Been Framed by Jack Brewer - Goodreads page
The Greys Have Been Framed by Jack Brewer
Saucers, Spooks, and Kooks by Adam Gorightly - Goodreads page
Saucers, Spooks, and Kooks by Adam Gorightly
Getting Spooked substack - by Tanner F. Boyle
Expanding Frontiers - YouTube Channel
The Controllers by Martin Cannon - Goodreads page
The Controllers: Mind Control and Project MK-ULTRA - Modern Myth, Mass Manipulation, and a New Hypothesis of Abductions
Truth Seekers - YouTube channel

Vayse - Links

Vayse website
Vayse on Twitter
Vayse on Instagram
Music From Vayse - Volume 1 by Polypores
Vayse on Ko-Fi
Vayse email: vayseinfo@gmail.com

Special Guest: Emily Louise.