Shantell Martin on how to draw a line. Plus: Gris returns!

Welcome to our Season 3 finale! To wrap up the year, Lilah is joined by the artist Shantell Martin. Shantell draws big, bold lines. Everywhere. She makes a strong case for taking out a pen. We discuss how to teach art to the next generation, what it means to 'sell out' in the art world, British versus American racism, and an urgent question for this time: who are you? Afterwards, co-host Griselda Murray Brown stops in during maternity leave to talk about motherhood and this season's themes.

Thank you for joining us on this journey. You can keep in touch with Lilah on Instagram at @lilahrap, on Twitter at @lilahrap and @ftculturecall, and by email at culturecall@ft.com.

Links from the show:

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—Shantell on Instagram

—Shantell's work at the New York City Ballet

—Dear Grandmother, a collaboration between Dot and Shantell Martin

—New Tricks, Shantell's British detective show recommendation, is on Amazon Prime

—Janelle Monáe music video for Turntables

—A great recent FT interview with Mary Gaitskill, author of Lost Cat

—Morning Song, a poem by Sylvia Plath

—Great back catalogue episodes: start the six-episode journey of this season with episode one: Miranda July! Some standout Gris interviews include Tyler Mitchell, George the Poet and Jia Tolentino. Some standout Lilah interviews include Ira Glass, Maaza Mengiste and Esther Perel.

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“Turntables” is an original song by Janelle Monáe for the Liz Garbus and Lisa Cortés' 2020 documentary film All In: The Fight for Democracy. Courtesy Bad Boy, 2021

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