The multi-talented Michael Ian Black discusses his book A Better Man: A (Mostly) Serious Letter to my Son with award-winning journalist and author Liz Plank in a conversation about toxic masculinity that is highly irreverent in the best way. Michael addresses topics from his father's death to his "artsy" childhood, and the emotional hardening that was expected from him as an adult man and that he sees in his sons; he and Liz discuss the "pyramid scheme" of patriarchy and the space for conversations about gender that feminism has created, with a lot of laughs in between. (Recorded September 16, 2020)