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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Episode Preview

(01:46) Why the interest in nuclear energy?

(05:45) Why does energy matter?

(09:10) Greta Thunberg and environmentalism as religion replacement

(12:08) Why France got it right in the 70s

(14:48) Sponsors: Vanta and NetSuite

(17:04) Myth-busting: nuclear waste and disasters

(22:33) Why has the anti-nuclear movement been so potent?

(26:46) Breaking down the incentives at play in regulation and the free market

(39:00) How do you change the perception and safety?

(47:50) The opportunities to build in the nuclear space

(56:50) Applying Elon’s frameworks to building in the nuclear space

(01:00:45) Safety culture and accountability

(01:08:20) Opportunity for SMR companies from Microsoft and congress

(01:10:20) Are we overestimating nuclear’s impact versus other energy sources?

(01:16:05) Capital markets and idea maze problem

(01:23:00) How to get involved in opportunities in nuclear if you have no background

Alan Strathern, "Converting Rulers: Global Patterns, 1450-1850" (Cambridge UP, 2024)