Honestly with Bari Weiss

You’re Already Living in China’s World Pt 2: Beijing's Long Game

Aug 25, 2021

Josh Rogin, a journalist and author of "Chaos Under Heaven," delves into the sweeping ambitions of the Chinese Communist Party. He outlines how past U.S. policy mistakes empowered China and the implications for global governance. Rogin discusses China's influence over Big Tech, Hollywood, and education, raising concerns about a potential Cold War. He also critiques the withdrawal from Afghanistan, framing it as a strategic blunder that opens doors for Chinese expansion. The conversation raises pivotal questions about democracy and American values in an increasingly authoritarian world.

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Episode notes

Intro

2min

Shifting Perspectives on China: Economic Engagement and Its Consequences

6min

China's Influence on American Values

17min

The Turmoil in Afghanistan and Its Global Ramifications

5min

Chaos in Afghanistan: A Failed Evacuation

16min

China's Global Ambitions and American Response

7min

In Part II, a diagnosis of the global ambitions of the Chinese Communist Party with Josh Rogin. Josh explains how U.S policy mistakes in the 20th century handed more power to China in the 21st, how the Chinese government wields power over Big Tech, Hollywood, and higher education on U.S. soil, and whether we’re headed for another Cold War.

“The global scale of the China challenge is not just about China’s rise, it’s not just about the genocide,” says Josh, “It’s about what kind of world we want to live in.”

Plus, a call with Josh to discuss the American withdrawal of Afghanistan, and how the execution of that withdrawal creates a power vacuum for China to fill.

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