Marcus and I debate AIs capabilities from nearly polar opposite ends. He thinks it's basically autocomplete, and I think it's the most important tech we've ever built as humans.

It was a fantastic, and very civil conversation, so thanks to Marcus for that, and we're already planning on Part 2.

This two-hour discussion covers:

🧠 The real risks of AI vs. the imagined ones
🔐 How security researchers view AI's capabilities
🤖 The blurry line between useful and dangerous automation
⚖️ Bias, alignment, and who gets to control intelligence
📉 Whether AI might ultimately collapse under its own complexity

Marcus Hutchins is best known for stopping the WannaCry ransomware attack and brings a sharp, skeptical perspective to AI.

Marcus' Website: https://marcushutchins.com

Watch the interview on YouTube: https://youtu.be/I9-iD_rLRjA

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