Jane M has had a bumpy journey back from sipping champagne at Roland-Garros, while Fi's had a bumpy experience with some sub-par paving —naturally. The two chat tennis-induced wees, Lewes, and undoing life mistakes.

Plus, put your feminist ears aside for this one: Tom Whipple, science editor at The Times, speaks with biologist Richard Dawkins about his book 'The Genetic Book of the Dead'.

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The next book club pick has been announced! We’ll be reading Leonard and Hungry Paul by Rónán Hession.

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Level 9 woo woo (with Richard Dawkins)