Phoebe Tickell describes herself as a renegade scientist, systems thinker and social entrepreneur. Chris describes her as a world shifting human dynamo! Chris and Phoebe first met at Schumacher College in Devon. Phoebe is the founder of Moral Imagination, an organisation that helps to bring about an ecological shift in society and consciousness through the power of imagination. This episode explores this work, the amazing range of foundations and influences that underpin her work, and look at where the amazing energy of Phoebe may take it next. This is a great episode for anyone needing to see how, even in dark and troubling times, the power of imagination breathes light and possibility into making something new and better possible.