DeProgram with John Kiriakou and Ted Rall On Thin ICE | DeProgram with Ted Rall and John Kiriakou
Jan 9, 2026
A tragic ICE shooting in Minneapolis sparks debates over excessive force and law enforcement training. Protests erupt as questions about federal tactics arise. Meanwhile, oil executives push for taxpayer guarantees on Venezuelan investments, raising crony capitalism concerns. Gavin Newsom's presidential ambitions come under fire, while Trump’s claims of being guided by morality are scrutinized. The hosts tackle the troubling link between militarized policing and cultural issues, emphasizing the need for de-escalation and state authority.
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Policing Over Immigration
- The Renee Good shooting is framed less as an immigration debate and more as a policing and excessive force issue.
- Ted Rall argues the incident highlights de-escalation failures and unprofessional tactics by ICE officers.
Shoplifter Story Illustrates Car Risks
- Ted Rall recounts a supermarket coworker who tried to grab a shoplifter and got dragged by a car, illustrating instinctive resistance to hands in a vehicle.
- He uses this to explain why reaching into a car is a dangerous, counterproductive tactic.
Reject Military Policing Tactics
- Avoid training police with military tactics that prepare them to treat civilians as enemies.
- Robbie West warns soldiers' combat training conflicts with policing's peacekeeping role.