In this episode, Hannah is joined by YouTuber and writer Leena Norms. Leena shares the story of how she ended her engagement, and why she now doesn’t want to get married. Leena also chats about how her Christianity affected her view of marriage, and her experience of stopping being Christian. Her and Hannah also talk about the legal ramifications of marriage, and how to have a wedding that doesn’t support the traditional, patriarchal meaning of marriage. Finally, they discuss their choices to have and to not have kids, and whether we can be environmentalists and still have children.