In this episode, we chat with Scott Sunarto, the founder of Argus Labs and former co-creator of Dark Forest. We begin with an overview of the current landscape of Crypto Gaming and the crypto gaming primitives Scott is excited about. We also talk about what most crypto gaming investors are getting wrong and the narratives within crypto gaming he disagrees with.

We also discuss Argus Labs and why Argus is a gaming company first, not a picks and shovels infrastructure company. We also discuss Scott's mental model for the rollup stack, where the World Engine fits in, and discuss some unspoken truths about rollups, sequencers, and rollup value capture.