Guests: Charisse Burden-Stelly, Kate Rigby, Enrique Salmón, David Pecusa. Explore the impact of the Crusades on the climate crisis and the concept of holy war. Discuss the origins of racial capitalism and the construction of racial hierarchies. Challenge assumptions about European dominance and the ethical dimension of conquest. Emphasize the interconnectedness and value of the natural world.
The violence and domination exhibited during the Crusades contributed to the current environmental crisis by imposing one group's will on the world and justifying aggression and dominance over other cultures and the natural world.
Indigenous cultures, with their belief in the interconnectedness and sacredness of nature, provide valuable perspectives and practices that can guide efforts to address the ecological crisis and reconnect with the understanding of our interconnectedness with nature.
Deep dives
The Crusades: A Part of the Climate Crisis Story
The podcast episode discusses the connection between the Crusades and the climate crisis. It highlights how the violence and domination displayed during the Crusades, driven by religious motivations and a desire to impose one group's will on the world, contributed to the current environmental crisis. The discussion explores the historical context of the Crusades, including the speech by Pope Urban II calling for Christians to fight against Muslim control of the Holy Land. It also looks at the influence of the Roman Empire's approach to war and the adoption of the concept of Holy War by Christians. The episode examines the impact of the crusaders' large-scale violence against non-Christians, such as the slaughter of Muslims and Jews during the siege of Jerusalem. It also touches on the view of the crusades as an early form of Western imperialism in the Middle East and the religious fervor and desire for heavenly rewards that motivated participants. The episode concludes by emphasizing the ongoing fighting over control of the Holy Land and the long-lasting consequences of the Crusades in shaping Western Europe's colonial mindset.
Racial Capitalism: Exploitation and the Rise of Western Dominance
The podcast explores the concept of racial capitalism and its role in the Western world's dominance and exploitation. It examines how Western Europe developed a culture that justified aggression and dominance over other cultures and the natural world. The episode discusses how the Western world embraced the idea of extractive capitalism, using profit as the driving force and pursuing the accumulation of wealth and power through the exploitation of labor and natural resources. The podcast highlights the connection between colonialism, slavery, and capitalism, emphasizing how the European powers justified enslaving and subjugating non-Christian and non-white populations under the doctrine of discovery. The episode also delves into the shift from feudalism to capitalism in Europe, fueled by the emergence of racialized slavery, which led to the creation of racial hierarchies and the development of white supremacy. It further explores the connection between the scientific revolution and the Enlightenment, which reinforced Western notions of dominion and control over nature. The episode concludes by highlighting the ongoing choices and ethical dimensions associated with racial capitalism and the need to challenge and transform these systems.
Concentric Relationship with Nature: Indigenous Perspectives
The podcast episode discusses indigenous perspectives on the relationship between humans and nature, contrasting them with Western views. It highlights how various indigenous cultures, including Native American, African, and Asian cultures, have maintained a concentric relationship with the natural world, seeing it as sacred and interconnected. The episode emphasizes how indigenous origin stories often depict humans as emerging from and being deeply connected to the natural world. It explores the belief in animism or the presence of spirits in all living and non-living entities and the sense of responsibility and stewardship that arises from this perspective. The discussion includes examples from specific indigenous cultures, such as the Hopi people and their deep cultural commitment to caring for the land. The episode also examines how the Western world gradually moved away from perceiving nature as sacred, reducing it to resources to be exploited for profit. It concludes by suggesting that reconnecting with the understanding of our interconnectedness with nature is crucial for addressing the ecological crisis and pursuing solutions.
Reclaiming Our Sacred Relationship with the Earth
The podcast episode highlights the importance of relearning and reclaiming a sacred relationship with the Earth to address the ecological crisis. It emphasizes that this shift is not limited to indigenous cultures but is relevant to all humans, including those in the Western world. The episode discusses the need to recognize the interconnectedness of all life forms and the interdependence between humanity and the natural world. It acknowledges the historical and cultural factors that led to the Western world's detachment from the sacredness of nature and the belief in human dominance and control over it. The podcast encourages a reevaluation of these beliefs and a recognition of the value of the Earth and its creatures in themselves, highlighting that everything has a soul or life force. It asserts that reconnecting with this understanding, both spiritually and through a secular, science-based perspective, is vital to demanding and achieving the transformations necessary to address the ecological crisis and protect the planet.
How western Europe really broke bad in its understanding of humanity’s place in the natural world, from the Crusades to capitalism. Part 2 of our series, The Repair, on the climate crisis.
By host and producer John Biewen, with co-host Amy Westervelt. Interviews with Charisse Burden-Stelly, Kate Rigby, Enrique Salmón, and David Pecusa.
The series editor is Cheryl Devall. Music by Lili Haydn, Chris Westlake, Kim Carroll, Cora Miron, Alex Weston, Lesley Barber, and Fabian Almazan. Music consulting by Joe Augustine of Narrative Music. Season 5 is supported by Scene on Radio listener-donors, and by the International Women’s Media Foundation.
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